Paul Ford Hi, I’m Paul Ford.

Rich Ziade And I’m Rich Ziade.

Paul: And this is The Aboard Podcast, the podcast, Richard, about how AI is changing the world of…!

Rich: [weary] Software.

Paul: Yeah. Don’t bring it too far down. I want to talk today about something that is very, very related to—

Rich: To software?

Paul: Yes. Jesus Christ.

Rich: Play the theme song.

Paul: I think we have to.

Rich: Play the hymnal.

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Paul: Let me take this back to our product for one minute. Let’s do a little marketing, but tie it back to the theme. Kind of ease people in. You ready?

Rich: Ooh.

Paul: Could I use Aboard to manage my church?

Rich: Absolutely.

Paul: Okay. What would that be like? What is this product that we have made?

Rich: Most churches are probably managed by notes, emails, and maybe a spreadsheet here and there.

Paul: Well, actually, let’s take it up a level, right? Let’s not even go in there, because let’s say I am one of, I got 50 Lutheran churches in New York City.

Rich: Oh, going bigger?

Paul: Yeah. And I got to coordinate between all those different parishes.

Rich: Yes.

Paul: Okay. Tell me what I could do with your software, sir.

Rich: Well, you could start talking to it, like you can talk to anything with AI, and tell it what you’re looking to solve and the kind of tools you need. But you could even not talk about the tools. Just talk about the struggles you have today.

Paul: Let me describe a struggle. We plan a lot of events and outings across our youth groups and our Bible studies.

Rich: You want to manage the event calendar.

Paul: And I want to kind of manage the relationships. I want people to, I want to almost like a CRM, but—

Rich: Sure!

Paul: Around things like Bible study outings, you know, interfaith services, stuff like that.

Rich: Yes. Yes. You could have that conversation with Aboard. It’ll start to craft and sketch out what it thinks you might need.

Paul: Do this for me, Richard. I go to aboard.com and it tells me to type something in. I just described something.

Rich: Yeah.

Paul: What would you tell me to type in?

Rich: Tell it who you are first and what your role is.

Paul: Okay. I’m an executive director across the Lutheran and Interfaith Chap—

Rich: It’s always helpful.

Paul: Okay.

Rich: To define yourself first.

Paul: Okay.

Rich: And your context, gives it some context. And then you can do one of two things. If you know exactly what you want, ask it for what you want. If you don’t know what you want and you’re just looking for pain relief, and because things aren’t efficient, or you’re not introducing the right people to each other, or you can’t, you’ve lost track of your contacts, you could complain to it. And what it’ll do is take you through this guided conversation to essentially steer you towards what it thinks will be a good solution for what you’re going through. And then eventually it will build one. And it’ll build one that is recognizable. And you can keep talking to it, you can refine it and tweak it.

Paul: It builds a prototype of your solution.

Rich: Yes, but it’s actual software.

Paul: Well, that’s the world—

Rich: It’s not a throwaway thing.

Paul: That’s the world we live in. It’s not a whiteboard sketch.

Rich: Correct.

Paul: It’s an AI-assisted generated solution.

Rich: Yeah, we’re sort of a different angle than vibe coding, which is sort of more riffing and casual. This is actually trying to guide you through getting to a real solution.

Paul: I want to bring it back to the subject, right? So right now, we use what’s called an LLM, a big sort of database that is hosted and managed by a giant AI company.

Rich: Like most people.

Paul: Like most people. Okay, which one do we use?

Rich: We use OpenAI.

Paul: Okay. And I’m a church. Now, let me tell you about a couple things that OpenAI is up to recently.

Rich: Cool.

Paul: Sam Altman’s out there, saying, “You know what? I’m going to be cool with this thing generating erotica. We’ve been turning it down. We’ve been saying no more erotica. Tell people to go somewhere else. But I’m going to let ChatGPT, tou want it to write porn for you? You just say, ‘Write me some porn.’ It’s going to do it.”

Rich: Yeah.

Paul: If you’re an adult, you got to, you know, check a box.

Rich: Yeah.

Paul: Okay. Now, I’m a pretty religious person, on the other side. I’m using Aboard. It’s talking to OpenAI.

Rich: Making your church CRM.

Paul: Yeah. I mean, what’s up with this? I got, what are these tools where they will kind of be, morally, they’ll do whatever the hell you want. Am I in a good place here? Should I be using this stuff? And then I’m going to throw just a little twist in it, and then I’ll throw it back to you, which is the ex—Patrick Gelsinger, who used to be the CEO of Intel?

Rich: Mmm hmm.

Paul: Is now at, like, an AI startup and they’re building a Christian LLM that kind of encodes all those values kind of to keep you away from all that stuff so that, you know, the megachurch says, “Hey, go over here and use Gloo—” G-L-O-O, which is their company. “—And use their stuff and their technology if it launches, and then you won’t have the risk of all this other stuff over here that Sam Altman says is cool.”

Rich: Okay, so this is a sanitized version of AI that is highly guided and probably limits certain things…

Paul: They wouldn’t say sanitize. They would say that it would assert Christian values when prompted.

Rich: Okay.

Paul: Right. So like, which, I mean, you can go all sorts of ways with that. You can be like, you know, I’m going to reject homosexuality. A lot of people think that that is a fundamental Christian value on one side. Other people think, love thy neighbor as thyself. Right?

Rich: Yeah, yeah.

Paul: But whatever you say, if it fits in that category, it should be more likely to say, give you back the nice red text word of Jesus as opposed to quoting some study that it picked up from a scientific article. So yes, it would strongly, strongly bias scripture and scriptural analysis and broad theological concepts.

Rich: Yeah. If you ask it for advice, it’s going to color it with its understanding of Christian values and whatnot.

Paul: You can do this today. You can go, I don’t know if people have ever thought about this, but I’ve done it.

Rich: Yeah.

Paul: You go into ChatGPT and you can ask it to give you advice from a particular theological perspective. You can say, what would, “As a Muslim, how should I approach this problem? As a Christian, how should I approach this problem?”

Rich: Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Paul: So you actually can use these tools, but then you can switch right over and be like, “I also would like you to write some erotic fanfiction around Sonic the Hedgehog.”

Rich: Okay.

Paul: Yeah. He goes really fast.

Rich: Yeah. This is a hell of an everything bagel you’ve thrown at me.

Paul: Well, you know, I want to—you say you’re smart.

Rich: Yeah. I mean, do you have a question?

Paul: Part of it is just a big observation about where we’re headed. Right? Because where we’ve been headed is these monolithic companies that are encoding all information.

Rich: Yeah.

Paul: And everybody’s like, “Okay, it’s going to be Anthropic. It’s going to be OpenAI. Then Google and Microsoft will get in there.”

Rich: Yeah.

Paul: That’s how it’s going to be. And now you’re starting to see things, essentially LLM-layer stuff get productized.

Rich: Sure.

Paul: So…

Rich: That’s inevitable.

Paul: Okay, so when you say that’s inevitable, why?

Rich: Well, I think what is so unusual about these tools and these capabilities, and it’s caused everyone to kind of lose their minds a little bit.

Paul: Mmm hmm.

Rich: Is that they have effectively ingested all the world’s information that we’ve laid on the Internet.

Paul: Mmm hmm.

Rich: But inside of that, like, the internet is an incredibly multithreaded, opinionated place with many cultures and subcultures embedded within it.

Paul: Literally within the, like, Toyota message board that is true.

Rich: Exactly.

Paul: You don’t even have to go to the broader web.

Rich: Exactly.

Paul: Like, people will argue about SUVs or watches.

Rich: Exactly, exactly. And so I mean, if you think about it, it’s taken in all of these little societies, all of these subcultures, right? Where certain norms take hold and certain behaviors are allowed and certain behaviors are really discouraged. And it’s taken them all in.

Paul: And if you’re a religious person?

Rich: Yeah.

Paul: It can feel very threatening because you are committed to one way of living.

Rich: Yes, you can be a religious person and also be a little freaky, let’s be real. But look, I see what you’re saying. Someone that sort of lives their gospel, right?

Paul: It doesn’t even have to just be that. right? I think a lot about Steve Jobs. Steve Jobs—

Rich: Do you?

Paul: All the time.

Rich: Yeah.

Paul: Famously, he wanted to keep porn off the iPhone.

Rich: Yeah.

Paul: And why did he want to do that?

Rich: Probably kids.

Paul: It was kids. He was just like, “You know, a lot of people don’t understand, but as a parent, this is really important to you.” And it was a product decision and it was an Apple decision.

Rich: Sure.

Paul: But Apple basically said, “You know, there may be a lot of money over there and free speech and a lot of opportunities to figure stuff out and people are going to do what they want to do. We’re going to have no part of that. In fact, we’re actually going to draw a pretty clear line. You’re not going to get a smutty app in the app store.” Right?

Rich: Yeah.

Paul: So there’s always been this line that’s explored in media in general.

Rich: Yeah. Sure.

Paul: What’s appropriate? Where does it sit?

Rich: It’s interesting. I think these tools are tricking us a little bit. They have a persuasive quality to them. They have an anthropomorphic quality to them. And so I think people are getting a little giddy about the vector of influence that they can have, especially on young people. And when you say young, it doesn’t have to be porn. You could be a teenager who has all these temptations and boy, I would love to inject some Christian values.

Paul: Mmm hmm.

Rich: Into their thinking. And so I want tools out there that can maybe guide them in some way. I think for most older generations, they want to influence those younger generations in ways that guide them. Right. And they see these tools as so pervasive and so penetrating. Like in such, they’re gonna get into your days anyway. You might as well figure out how to get in there. Otherwise it’s a really messy, messy place.

Paul: This always happens with media and technology.

Rich: It always happens.

Paul: So, you know, people used to think that, like, you know, Pac-Man was corrupting the youth.

Rich: Yeah.

Paul: Video games and so on. Music has always been a big one. And so what happens is that religious organizations tend to make their own. It’s almost always incredibly inferior. Like, Christian rock is universally—even Christian rock fans know it’s terrible.

Rich: Yeah.

Paul: But it speaks to their values, and they can listen to it without feeling threatened or like they’re kind of going off of, away from home base.

Rich: They can invoke emotions that music does to you, right?

Paul: Yeah.

Rich: And it’s placed in a certain, its message is a certain way.

Paul: It’s safety. It’s a place of psychological safety—

Rich: Yeah, but do you remember Stryper?

Paul: Yeah. Okay, why don’t you explain to our audience of mostly young people who Stryper was.

Rich: Okay. Stryper was a heavy metal band from the 80s.

Paul: Big hair.

Rich: Big hair.

Paul: Tight spandex.

Rich: And they wore black and yellow, so they look like bumblebees.

Paul: Yep.

Rich: Pretty consistently.

Paul: Stryper.

Rich: Yeah.

Paul: Yeah.

Rich: And they were this very kind of subtly Christian heavy metal band. And they were so, it was so fuzzy and so on the edge that I think a lot of people didn’t know. And I think they crossed over at one point.

Paul: They did.

Rich: They actually had some hits.

Paul: They had a few hits.

Rich: Yeah. And I think their message was, because, you know, Mötley Crüe were all about, like, “Girls, Girls, Girls,” I think is literally one of the songs. And it’s about partying and, like, you know, empty Jack Daniels bottles. And these guys were like, “We can still rock—and also speak the word of Jesus.”

Paul: There’s always a satanic vibe going on, too, even if it wasn’t real, with heavy metal.

Rich: There’s that, right? And so they were sort of—and what are they doing? They’re trying to appeal to sort of that urge to rebel that the youth have. But it’s like, you can be some, you can be different and cool and still believe in the Lord. Right? I think that was what they were going for.

Paul: And I would strongly encourage anyone here to go look up Stryper and see some pictures to understand what different and cool look like.

Rich: Yeah. I mean, and there’s a lot of these, right? You see it more pervasively in, like, country rock and country music and whatnot.

Paul: Well, there are the boundaries are pretty blurry, right?

Rich: It’s much more blurry, right? And it’s about values sort of making their way through,  in through the music. And so now you see these tools that are like, “My God, this is going to be everywhere. I better get ahead of this.” So this CEO of Intel, former CEO of Intel, he’s thinking, “You know what? I want to guide them a little bit. You know, I know they’re gonna go into the other mode, to incognito. I know they’re gonna do that. Like, I know they’re gonna do that, but how do I, like, start to inject these values and put them in front of them and see—” Look, anybody who’s thinking, “I’ve got an airtight, hermetically sealed way of influencing a young person,” best of luck to you. You probably don’t. But they’re trying, right?

Now, Altman, I think his agenda is completely different. I think he is coming out of the Valley where it’s like, “Listen, this is going to be crazy. Yeah, we’re going to burn all the crops. But strangely, out of the ashes, when it mixes with the soil, something really beautiful will come out. So apologies in advance.” I think he has embraced the, it’s not even ask for forgiveness. It’s almost like, “Just go. And we’ll tweak this as we go.”

Paul: It’s not ask for forgiveness. It’s, “We will rebuild society and our image.

Rich: Yeah, yeah.

Paul: “On the parched land that we destroyed.”

Rich: Yeah, I don’t, I don’t even think he’s the, like—I don’t know a lot about this guy. I don’t think he’s the AGI equals God guy. I don’t know—

Paul: No, he’s a little bit. He was a real hard AGI guy, but it’s less convenient now. And now he’s more like economic growth guy.

Rich: You know what I think drives this? It’s the same instinct he had, which will be looked back upon as probably one of the brilliant product decisions ever, to put it out.

Paul: Get it out there.

Rich: Yeah, I think he’s doing that here again. And he, his instinct is, it is very much a “Y Combinator, get out there and see what the world looks like, and then we’ll go from there” mindset, which is stop thinking, stop strategizing, go, right? And he’s doing that here, and stuff’s going to come up.

Paul: At a vast scale. They’re aiming for a trillion-dollar IPO.

Rich: There you go. And so part of a trillion dollars, like a chunk of the trillion dollars is porn.

Paul: Yeah.

Rich: He knows that this is an audience. It’s probably tens of millions, if not hundreds of millions globally who are into, like, erotic literature and the like, and they want in.

Paul: I gotta say, though, as a parent, it makes me think differently. Like, I’m actually in some ways okay with closely monitored usage of ChatGPT for my kids.

Rich: Sure.

Paul: Because it’s the future. And also it’s so consistently wrong about my daughter’s geometry homework that I actually want her to learn that lesson.

Rich: Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Paul: It’s generally bad at certain things.

Rich: Yeah, exactly.

Paul: But I just don’t want my adolescents being able to, you know, create custom pornography.

Rich: And I think he’s thought that through and he’s like, “You know what? We’ll have to figure that out when we get to it.” I want to speak to, directly into the camera, to fans of erotic fiction.

Paul: Oh, I thought you were going to say Jesus Christ.

Rich: That’s later.

Paul: [laughing] Okay.

Rich: Yeah.

Paul: Oh, boy.

Rich: You ever go to a party?

Paul: This is not going well.

Rich: And that person for the first minute or so seems real cool?

Paul: At the party?

Rich: At the party.

Paul: Random person?

Rich: And then like, four minutes in, you’re fully creeped out.

Paul: Yeah.

Rich: That is AI-generated erotic literature.

Paul: I think that might be right. I do think that people will be like, ugh.

Rich: Yeah, it’s going to—”Whoa! You went—whoa!” [laughter] It’s that fourth paragraph. And it just goes off the rails.

Paul: Well, actually, because if you look, you know, you know how you can tell that might be where we’re headed.

Rich: Yeah.

Paul: Is when you look at that Sora video stream.

Rich: Yeah.

Paul: And it’s just that same perfectly symmetrical elf-y woman with the big boobs?

Rich: Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Paul: That just seems to be hitting the AI guy—like, that’s just what they want all day long.

Rich: Yeah.

Paul: And you’re like, just— [disgusted noise]

Rich: Yeah, and look, we can wade into, like, the dangers, frankly, of desensitization through pornography and all that. And that can happen here because this thing will spew out stuff all day long.

Paul: Well. And also kind of bad stuff.

Rich: That, too.

Paul: Monkeys get up to bad things in their little brains.

Rich: Monkeys get up to bad things. So that’s my public service announcement to…

Paul: Here’s where I want to leave this—

Rich: Wait, wait. You started this whole podcast with Jesus Christ and we ended up talking about—

Paul: Pornography.

Rich: What’s up with that?

Paul: That’s what they want us to do. They want us to really bring— [laughter] Here’s, no, I will bring it home. So I think that there’s a couple ways to look at this. One is people are going to have strong reactions because people have very strong reactions to, like, religious stuff and stuff that attempts to assert its values.

Rich: Always.

Paul: In one direction or the other. That is just society. And I do think, like, as long as we’re not informed, forcing the usage of one thing for one community or the other, this is just how it’s going to go, right?

Rich: Yeah.

Paul: Like, I don’t really have a lot of opinion about it. If the Jesus folks want to make their own LLM and they got the money and they got the compute.

Rich: That’s like me having a strong feeling about mega-churches.

Paul: No, it’s tricky because, you know, DeepSeek couldn’t talk about Tiananmen Square. Right? Like, there are certain things that just get locked down in certain amounts of culture. They get pulled away from people.

Rich: Well, that’s a ground-up society, right? Where the strong hand of the state is understood to be there.

Paul: Yes.

Rich: Right? Here, Altman saying, “Go,” and Jesus Christ: AI edition are frankly very American.

Paul: Yes.

Rich: Very, very libertarian in spirit and we’ll go from there. So I’m not surprised about DeepSeek. I’m not—I mean, it’s worth noting the plot twist here that we are starting to take on strangely Chinese characteristics in terms of society and imposing sort of will from top-down, which is—that I’m more concerned about than these sort of weird ideas that percolate and then get regulated later or fixed later or whatever it may be.

Paul: I mean, here’s what I would say. I think you’ve got two different ways to look at this, and I think one is many, many people would like there to be a less monolithic future. You could actually look at the custom religious LLM as a person who gets worried about platforms being too powerful.

Rich: Yeah.

Paul: The idea that there could be multiple LLMs running all over the place, encoding different ideologies that people are using gives me some cause for concern, but also points to a future in which things are back to normal and we have lots of software products and lots of options. And some of them freak me out and some of them don’t.

Rich: Yeah.

Paul: As opposed to kind of having to orbit around the desires and needs of one or two giant companies. So that?

Rich: Yeah.

Paul: I see that as like, “Okay, this is a powerful motivator for people to go off on their own and make their own thing.”

Rich: Yeah.

Paul: And that’s pretty good. That’s pretty good. I would like to see that means they’ll be the socialist LLM at one point and that’ll drive everybody equally bananas.

Rich: You know what? These are corners that are going to get created. I don’t mind them existing. I don’t mind a Christian AI edition. I don’t mind any of those things. I think the red line—

Paul: What’s gonna get tricky Is if we, you know, like, this current administration would be like, “We will ban the Communist LLM.”

Rich: Well, I mean, this is the thing. I think that’s why I say, you know, there are shades of Chinese government starting to show up. That’s more worrying to me than someone deciding, “You know what, let’s try erotic literature. I know we’re going to have to dial it back.” I have a red line when it comes to kids.

Paul: Yeah, me, too.

Rich: I think tech has broken them enough.

Paul: I think adults can do whatever the hell, just like everybody does, whatever the.

Rich: Hell, don’t break laws, et cetera.

Paul: And also kind of watch your intake there, buddy.

Rich: Yeah, but…

Paul: Okay, let me take this back to a very short question I want you to answer. It’s a very simple question. It doesn’t have any complication to it. Where’s the free speech in this? Is the LLM protected by free speech? Is the interaction with the LLM protected by free speech? Because we are creating, if the LLM is a document, is that an artifact of sort of, like, is someone communicating by making this database? Or is it the interaction that should be—

Rich: It’s an interesting question. And as the Internet came to be, questions of free speech have been, you have to revisit them. Because free speech was like you’re on a soapbox in the town square. That was the—

Paul: Society has changed, and you can have robots lie for you at scale.

Rich: Not only has society changed, the artifacts with which we communicate have changed in fundamental ways. And what is so unusual about this artifact is it’s not copyrightable. It sounds like new content, which it is. A shitty Sora video is new content.

Paul: Mmm hmm.

Rich: And if it crosses a line, who do you go after? Who do you even blame? Right? This is something that is always at tension with tech companies because for the longest time, the argument by the Facebooks of the world is, “We’re a utility.”

Paul: Yeah.

Rich: “I can’t tell what people are putting on it.”

Paul: “We’re not a media company. We happen to own several media companies, but we’re not a media company.”

Rich: Et cetera. Exactly, exactly. So does a machine have a right to free speech? That’s the wrong question. These tools now are gaining autonomy and can assert themselves and cause damage that it’s hard to draw a dotted line back to, like, a team of people that are responsible for it. I think responsibility eventually has to kick in the same way it kicks in often too late when it comes to tobacco, the internet…

Paul: Always too late. Always too late.

Rich: Asbestos. [laughing]

Paul: The harm has to become unbelievably apparent.

Rich: I mean, welcome to human beings. Right?

Paul: Yeah.

Rich: Human nature, right? And that’s, we always show up too late to the party. We kind of have to clean up the mess. Tobacco used to be minty fresh.

Paul: It still is. It’s something just… [laughter]

Rich: A pack of Parliaments…

Paul: Those days are over for me. But, mmm. Yeah. What a way to wake up. All right, so I, you know, my larger point here is just, and I’ll ask you, let’s both answer this question.

Rich: Yeah.

Paul: Is the future three or four giant platforms, or is it a lot of different ideologically encoding and special skills and capability platforms that we’re stitching together? Sort of like web APIs, where we use a million different things? What’s the future?

Rich: Look, the Internet was incredibly distributed and democratic in the beginning.

Paul: Yes.

Rich: And then over about 15, 20 years, it became incredibly consolidated, whether it be Google, Facebook and whatnot. Normal stuff. The velocity of consolidation we’ve seen in, like, two years?

Paul: It’s very alienating. It’s confusing.

Rich: It’s incredible. Right?

Paul: Yeah.

Rich: And so I can build my little Jesus thing on top of what is essentially a very, very dark, obfuscated, exponentially more powerful platform underneath. And if they want to insert little Satan thingies into my Jesus thing without me knowing about it, they’re gonna do it because I’m riding on top of one of the most rapid consolidations of a groundbreaking technology we’ve ever seen.

Paul: Yes.

Rich: So I worry about that because you can build, we’re building a little toy on top, everybody’s building little toys on top, but it’s down to, like, two companies at this point. It’s kind of bananas.

Paul: I think Google’s got a good play, but yes.

Rich: Google’s got a good play.

Paul: So three.

Rich: Three or even four. Am I cool with seven billion people riding on top of four companies? Not really. I hope, I think and hope that there are going to be, there’s going to be real interest in giving people stronger autonomy around these tools and how you can get your information. Because I think if we live on top of them as just utilities, it’s a little scary.

Paul: I think that I’m basically right there with you. Like, I…

Rich: So I answered it for you, is what you’re saying.

Paul: Yeah, no, I mean, I think actually at some level, stuff like this, even though it may not be where my values are aligned, is a sign of people rejecting a giant platform universe.

Rich: Yeah.

Paul: What I would say. I don’t even go with is it good or bad. I just, like, want to keep an eye on it, because I would in general, I think more things are better when it comes to intellectual property and databases and APIs. But—

Rich: Just to be, to be clear, I wouldn’t, I’m not even putting forward ill intentions. Like, I don’t think the Facebook team was like wringing their hands—

Paul: You don’t have to go there. You don’t even have to go there.

Rich: We are terrible at really—we thought it was going to be cat pictures and tuna casseroles coming on Facebook pages.

Paul: We cannot predict human behavior, even though it’s the most predictable thing that ever existed.

Rich: Yes. Now do these people have a social responsibility? Here’s the tip for the billionaires that listen to us. And there are many.

Paul: Yeah.

Rich: You can have your billions and be socially responsible. You can do both of those things. That is a thing you can do. The weird sort of gimme, gimme, gimme all of it vibe. Even though you are wealthy beyond measure—

Paul: Know, who’s good at this? And he drives everybody crazy, is Mark Cuban.

Rich: Big fan.

Paul: Who I will say—I don’t even know if I’m a big fan, but what I will say is I do believe that guy believes in what he says.

Rich: It’s not just that. He sort of picked a really hard hill to conquer. Right? Cost of medicine. And it’s all—he talks about it a lot and he’s pragmatic about it. He wants to solve it. He knows he has a voice and he knows he has money and he’s like, “You know, let me go do this.”

Paul: He doesn’t seem eager—

Rich: He can go back to his 30-bedroom house. He can do all that. Nobody’s taking that away from him.

Paul: He doesn’t seem eager to go give Donald Trump, like, a golden box of pills.

Rich: I’m not even going to judge that. Like, he’s decided to use the, like the, the years 45 to death in some positive way, instead of building a frickin’ bunker.

Paul: Yeah.

Rich: And just thinking about how you’re gonna win, win, win, win, win, win, win.

Paul: So don’t build a bunker. Maybe build a Christian LLM—or a Communist LLM. Have a good time.

Rich: Build whatever you want. [laughing] Well, don’t build whatever you want. Don’t end it on that.

Paul: Okay.

Rich: All right. Check us out at aboard.com.

Paul: If you do want to build something really fast.

Rich: There we go.

Paul: Yeah.

Rich: Check us out at aboard.com.

Paul: Or send us an email at hello@aboard.com, and if you’re building a very specific LLM or working with one, get in touch hello@aboard.com. 

Rich: Hello@aboard.com. Have a great week. Everyone take care of each other.

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